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 Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:32 am Post subject: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in message
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"John C. Randolph" <jcr.nospam@nospam.mac.com> wrote in message
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On 2007-06-16 06:56:46 -0700, "Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com
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Yes you did. You said that research had been done, then said it
hadn't: you are a liar, QED.
Sorry I never made that claim. I have already addressed the OBVIOUS typo
from years ago.
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You mean the typo, that even if true and even if revised as you claim it was
intended to be, still makes the same claim about research?
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.psychology.nlp/msg/2f52df41febc7470?dmode=source&hl=en
From: "Tom Vizzini" <T...@essential-skills.com>
Newsgroups: alt.psychology.nlp
Subject: Re: Question about 3D Mind Rex Sikes Please answer if you can.
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:14:57 -0500
I have been working with Dr. Ken Guiffre ((OF)). Harvard, Jons Hopkins and 7
years of brain research. There are many aspects of the brain that they can
explain. I suggest you do at least as much research as I have and get back
to me.
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Even when your "of" is added in, the statement still claims clearly that
you're doing research with Hopkins.
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Here is the problem with your argument. It makes no sense. If I were going
to claim that research had been done on the 3D Mind by Harvard or Johns
Hopkins, I would have made that claim over and over again.
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Like this one:
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.psychology.nlp/msg/5d988e9e1f9e9e33?dmode=source&hl=en
There is a lot more in-depth information in this area. Ken has just
been hired by Johns Hopkins University to do research. He will be coming
out with a book within the next year fully explaining all the
technicalities.
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It would be at
the CENTER of my marketing. It would be easy to find more that ONE example
of the claim. Read that again...It would be EASY to find more than one
example of that claim.
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Like this one:
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.psychology.nlp/msg/931cdc32991f10c2?dmode=source&hl=en
The bottom line is this. 3D mind works. You can't handle that. You would
like to supress it. Too late. It is already headed for research at a very
highly regarded university.
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Anyone with an ounce of common sense would realize that one point.
Instead what we have is one sentence with a typo in it from one post from
years ago.
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Was this one a typo too?
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.psychology.nlp/msg/5c02f96c9de3f7e9?dmode=source&hl=en
Fact Five: 3-D Mind is scientifically sound, based on scientific data
supplied by a man who's worked in the brain research business for
better than 20 years and is currently working for John Hopkins, doing
the exact same thing.
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I know the there are many people here that are used to being lied to when
looking at self help products. Some marketers will tell you anything to
get
a buck from you.
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Reality pacing....
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That is something I have refused to do even though I have
been given advice to exaggerate and use puffery.
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Oh no... not you Tom... never....
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.psychology.nlp/msg/bb79e9a68ff282f4?dmode=source&hl=en
The 3-D Mind is the most powerful and yet most easy-to-understand method for
personal change ever developed.
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Every success story I post here is real. I don't have to make them up.
I have never lied about any product we offer and never will.
So which makes more sense. Distorting the meaning of an obviously
malformed
sentence from years ago as a lie or realizing it was nothing more than a
typo?
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Was this one a typo too?
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.psychology.nlp/msg/94c14a152d72ef3b?dmode=source&hl=en
I have a Harvard/ Johns Hopkins educated neuroscientist with over 25 years
of research experience who approached me to explain why the 3D mind was
working to well and why it was kicking the ass of other self help stuff.
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People like Odorous are stupid. That is not an insult it is an
observation.
Stupid people lock onto one point of view that is fueled by their own
agenda. You can't explain anything to them because stupid people think
that
already know everything.
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Notice that Tom can not refute the facts I've presented, so he just calls me
names. He makes excuses about typos, lies and claims he only made the claim
once, and when those lies and excuses fall apart, somehow the guy who cites
sources and provides links to support his claims is stupid or has no life.
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It is not that Ordrous won't understand simple concepts. It is that he
can't. It would be like trying to explain space travel to a cave man. They
just grunt and point to the moon with no understanding of what it takes to
get there.
In the end you will believe what you want to believe.
Here is the original sentence that has sparked over three months of flames
it is from 2004:
"I have been working with Dr. Ken Guiffre. Harvard, Jons Hopkins and 7
years
of brain research"
Now put it into the context of the post it was cut and pasted out of:
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Why lie... I provided full citations and a link to the original post. Which
you clearly did not... why is that? If I am the one you claim is trying to
hide the context or distort the quote... why am I the only one providing
links to the original posted source material on Google?
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"> I take you are a neurosurgeon? Wow! Maybe you should write a paper and
share with the doctors of the world. They still can't figure out how the
brain works , and you did it for 70 old dollars. Most Impressive.
I have been working with Dr. Ken Guiffre. Harvard, Jons Hopkins and 7
years
of brain research"
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Why did you cut your response apart? Here's the full context.... and notice
I'm the one who provies links so people can see just how dishonest Tom is
being in his claims.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.psychology.nlp/msg/2f52df41febc7470?dmode=source&hl=en
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"SluttyFox" <m...@laughingatyou.com> wrote in message
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Neither. It works on the level of structure. It directly replicates the
physical brain function for creating problems. Then uses that model to
generate powerful changes.
I take you are a neurosurgeon? Wow! Maybe you should write a paper and
share with the doctors of the world. They still can't figure out how the
brain works , and you did it for 70 old dollars. Most Impressive.
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Here is the appearent difference between you and I. I never stopped
learning.
I have been working with Dr. Ken Guiffre. Harvard, Jons Hopkins and 7 years
of brain research. There are many aspects of the brain that they can
explain. I suggest you do at least as much research as I have and get back
to me.
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Tom Vizzini
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Just replace the period wit the word 'of ' . It is obvious to anyone that
the period in the middle of the sentence does not belong there. Well it is
obvious to those who do not want it to be something else.
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Even if your change is made... the statement you're making is still clearly
you claiming that there research into the 3d mind in response to someone
challenging your claims about the 3d mind. You do this over and over again
whenever anybody questions the legitimacy of your claims about 3d mind. You
cry over and over that there's all this research and people should do as
much research as you. Then people ask to see this research and you lie and
deny ever claiming there was research, or tell the person they're too stupid
to understand it.
Exactly the same reactive pattern of behavior you're demonstrating now.
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it is also obvious that this was not an ad for the 3D Mind. It was a
response.
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A response to someone challenging your claims about the 3d mind.
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This has been explained over and over.
If I were going to claim the Harvard and Johns Hopkins University had
research the 3D Mind, you would have read it a thousand times in all of my
posts......but no...just one typo From 3 years ago.
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And yet I continue to find examples in google of you making the same claims
about research on the 3d mind.
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.psychology.nlp/msg/fcbea096cd159e0b?dmode=source&hl=en
Again as I have told you seversl times. All the info is there. All the
research has been done. All you have to do to find it is not be so lazy.
Just as I have told John, What I ave offered is beyond you ability to
understand anyway. I am not going to give youa course in brain chemistry. If
you want to learn that then you will have to do so on your own time.
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Now let's look at the other claim that I lied. LATER, as in years later.
Dr
Ken was offered a job at Johns Hopkins University doing brain research.
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That's odd, since Google shows you claiming that Ken was hired and currently
working for Hopkins.
Also, google shows those two quotes were made on, 11-25-04 and 4-18-05.
Which, looks a lot more like about 5 months to me.
Care to explain how that constitutes "years later" in your little world?
Did you forget google records dates too.
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.psychology.nlp/msg/2f52df41febc7470?dmode=source&hl=en
You said, "I have been working with Dr. Ken Guiffre. Harvard, Jons Hopkins
and 7
years of brain research." on Thu, 25 Nov 2004.
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.psychology.nlp/msg/5d988e9e1f9e9e33?dmode=source&hl=en
Then on Mon, 18 Apr 2005 you said, "Ken has just been hired by Johns
Hopkins University to do research."
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.psychology.nlp/msg/5c02f96c9de3f7e9?dmode=source&hl=en
And on 26 Sep 2005, "3-D Mind is scientifically sound, based on scientific
data
supplied by a man who's worked in the brain research business for
better than 20 years and is currently working for John Hopkins, doing
the exact same thing. "
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Looks like you made the same claim no less than 3 times within less than one
year.
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We
were planning to do research in the 3D Mind and his brain model if he took
the job.
Now why the hell would I say I was going to do research if I had ALREADY
done it?
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Because, as you show above, you're a really shity liar.
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It just makes no sense to come to any conclusion that I was lying about
anything.
So this has gone on for months and answered over and over again. Any
reasonable person would understand that if I were going to make such a
claim
it would have been repeated more than one time.
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I found 7 examples in one simple google search.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.psychology.nlp/msg/5d988e9e1f9e9e33?dmode=source&output=gplain
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.psychology.nlp/msg/5d988e9e1f9e9e33?dmode=source&hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.psychology.nlp/msg/2f52df41febc7470?dmode=source&hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.psychology.nlp/msg/5c02f96c9de3f7e9?dmode=source&hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.psychology.nlp/msg/94c14a152d72ef3b?dmode=source&hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.psychology.nlp/msg/931cdc32991f10c2?dmode=source&hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.psychology.nlp/msg/cdee60c2343d5ac2?dmode=source&hl=en
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But...Ordorous is not reasonable. He has an agenda that only he can figure
out. Like I said...he just is not that bright.
So the question John is, What do you believe? Does the quoted sentence
look
like a typo or a claim? Was it an ad? Can you find that claim ever
repeated
anywhere? If you think it is a claim then why is it never repeated
anywhere?
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Other than the half dozen examples I was able to find in one Google search
of your name and Hopkins university?
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Finally, what kind of person would go back 3 years to find one sentence
and
take it out of context in order to call another human being a liar?
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Doesn't take any longer to find a quote on google from 3 years ago than it
does to find one from last week... but nice attempt at a strawman.
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I suggest that a Ordorous distorted an out of context typo in order to
feed
his ego and feel important. Maybe he really doesn't get it and that is
sad.
Maybe he is as uneducated as he appears and that is sad too.
The really sad part is that he has been going on for months because he has
nothing else in his life is happening.
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Notice that Tom has no other option but to make personal attacks on me,
because he can't refute the facts I present. He lies, and I find numerous
quotes to prove he's lying, and his response is to say I have no life.
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At this point John, you have a decision to make. Keep following the lead
of
a loser or to make up your own mind based upon what I have written here.
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What person would read what you have written here and be in any way
convinced my position is anything other than rock solid?
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If
you do so with an open mind you can come to only one conclusion. There was
never a lie except the ones posted by Odorous.
Have a day
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Next time try harder. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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On 2007-06-17 22:32:15 -0700, "Odious" <Odious@cox.net.nospam> said:
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Notice that Tom can not refute the facts I've presented, so he just calls me
names.
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Oh, of course I noticed it. That's one of the standard tactics of a
woo-woo whose claims don't hold water. What I thought was really
funny was when he said:
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At this point John, you have a decision to make. Keep following the lead
of a loser or to make up your own mind based upon what I have written here.
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I did indeed make up my mind based on what he wrote. It's Vizini's own
words that lead me to conclude that he's a liar.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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"Odious" <Odious@cox.net.nospam> wrote in message
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You mean the typo, that even if true and even if revised as you claim it
was
intended to be, still makes the same claim about research?
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I really have to get a better killfile. But thanks for acknowledging that
you now realize it was a typo. Of course your further twisting of the quote
makes no sense so I am not even going to bother addressing it.
Yes I have done 7 years of research on improving the 3D Mind by teaming up
with people like Ken and educating myself on the physical functioning of the
brain.
I am still talking to Ken every week for hours on end. He is simply
brilliant. His model of the brain is amazing and useful.
Odor....your argument is just twisting in the wind. Cutting and pasting out
of context snippets from posts is the strategy of a loser.
Bottom line......you have made the same stupid claim for months. You have
cut and pasted selective snips of posts from a 3 to 5 years span. If this is
all you have then you have nothing.
As for the rest of your cutting and pasting....Ken went to Harvard and Johns
Hopkins. He is well educated. He also was hired to work for Johns Hopkins a
year or so ago to do research. We had plans to research the 3D mind along
side his brain model. It was indeed in the works. I never claimed that it
did occur though.
Nice try though. The bottom line is that your a liar with an agenda. Most
people see right through by your crap so I am not worried about it. Some
fall for it but that is OK too. Most people just are tired of your endless
flaming and don't even read your posts.
So let me get back to seeing why I can't get my killfile to keep you out. I
must say that these groups are much better once you filter you out of them.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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Didn't Odiot used to endorse Tom?
Like when ROSS endorsed Tom?
The response patterns to Tom's posts look almost exactly like the ones to
mine, from the same half-dozen people no less.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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"Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"" <ray@cybersheet.com> wrote in message
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Didn't Odiot used to endorse Tom?
Like when ROSS endorsed Tom?
The response patterns to Tom's posts look almost exactly like the ones to
mine, from the same half-dozen people no less.
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As scary as it is....I have to agree with Ray.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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Didn't Odiot used to endorse Tom?
Like when ROSS endorsed Tom?
The response patterns to Tom's posts look almost exactly like the ones to
mine, from the same half-dozen people no less.
As scary as it is....I have to agree with Ray.
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Try the Jimmy Swaggart version next time:
"I have ::::::sob::::::::: sinned against youuuuu, My Lord
::::::::::sob::::::::::," but I agree with Ray.
I should note that the exception to the pattern is that in the past, Tom
used to post to me much like the other half-dozen.
Maybe it's an NLP thing. Just seems pretty fickle, and predictable.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" wrote:
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The response patterns to Tom's posts look almost exactly like the ones to
mine, from the same half-dozen people no less.
As scary as it is....I have to agree with Ray.
Try the Jimmy Swaggart version next time:
"I have ::::::sob::::::::: sinned against youuuuu, My Lord
::::::::::sob::::::::::," but I agree with Ray.
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that is just *so* creepy...
I don't think I'll comment on it, after all... |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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Tom Vizzini wrote:
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"Odious" <Odious@cox.net.nospam> wrote in message
As for the rest of your cutting and pasting....Ken went to Harvard and Johns
Hopkins. He is well educated. He also was hired to work for Johns Hopkins a
year or so ago to do research. We had plans to research the 3D mind along
side his brain model. It was indeed in the works. I never claimed that it
did occur though.
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erm...
so is this product *based* on this man's theories or not ? |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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On 18-Jun-2007, "Ray Gordon, Court Jester" <ray@cybersheet.com> brayed:
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Didn't Odiot used to endorse Tom?
Like when ROSS endorsed Tom?
The response patterns to Tom's posts look almost exactly like the ones to
mine, from the same half-dozen people no less.
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So what, now we have two spamming idiots instead of just one. Or three if
you want to count the Oklahoma kid. Hows that new blog and message board
going? I read the terms of service the other day. Nobody in their right
mind would agree to those terms. No wonder you don't have any traffic!!!!!
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in message
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"Odious" <Odious@cox.net.nospam> wrote in message
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You mean the typo, that even if true and even if revised as you claim it
was
intended to be, still makes the same claim about research?
I really have to get a better killfile. But thanks for acknowledging that
you now realize it was a typo. Of course your further twisting of the
quote
makes no sense so I am not even going to bother addressing it.
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What twists... I quoted the entire post AND made your revision, and the
quote STILL makes the same claim about doing research with Hopkins, a claim
which you repeated over and over.
So tell us exactly HOW am I twisting or distorting your words by quoting the
entire post?
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Yes I have done 7 years of research on improving the 3D Mind by teaming up
with people like Ken and educating myself on the physical functioning of
the
brain.
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Yet, when asked to see this research, you claimed...
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From: "Tom Vizzini" <T...@essential-skills.com>
Subject: Re: The Answer...Re: Is Tom Vizzini too cowardly to respond to
being caught lying about 3d mind...
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 10:05:29 -0400
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So to be crystal clear... are you saying there has been NO research done
on the functionality of the 3d mind?
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Nope not one single bit of formal research. Just very good results from real
poeple who are using the skills. You know... The ones you refuse to respond
to LOL!
I never said there was.
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and....
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From: "Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.psychology,alt.psychology.nlp,alt.seduction.fast,sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Re: Was the Original 3D Mind CRAP??? Yes, it was!!!
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:40:22 -0400
I never claimed there was any research in the 3D Mind.
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I am still talking to Ken every week for hours on end. He is simply
brilliant. His model of the brain is amazing and useful.
Odor....your argument is just twisting in the wind. Cutting and pasting
out
of context snippets from posts is the strategy of a loser.
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Once again I provided links to the source posts on google for every quote.
You excuse that I'm taking things out of context won;t work anymore than you
claim that there was only one example of you making these claims about
research and Hopkins.
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Bottom line......you have made the same stupid claim for months. You have
cut and pasted selective snips of posts from a 3 to 5 years span. If this
is
all you have then you have nothing.
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You claimed you never said there was research into the 3d mind and that you
never said you worked with Jons Hopkins. I found quotes to prove you lied
and did in fact make both those claims several times.
All you can do is whine about the dates.
Tom, I have no control over when you lie.
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As for the rest of your cutting and pasting....Ken went to Harvard and
Johns
Hopkins. He is well educated. He also was hired to work for Johns Hopkins
a
year or so ago to do research. We had plans to research the 3D mind along
side his brain model. It was indeed in the works. I never claimed that it
did occur though.
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Yes you did, Tom.
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.psychology.nlp/msg/5c02f96c9de3f7e9?dmode=source&hl=en
Fact Five: 3-D Mind is scientifically sound, based on scientific data
supplied by a man who's worked in the brain research business for
better than 20 years and is currently working for John Hopkins, doing
the exact same thing.
_________________________________________________
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Nice try though. The bottom line is that your a liar with an agenda. Most
people see right through by your crap so I am not worried about it. Some
fall for it but that is OK too. Most people just are tired of your endless
flaming and don't even read your posts.
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What people notice is that you've not refuted one quote nor one argument
I've presented. And every excuse you've come up with has been showed to be
a lie... like you only made the claim once or never used puffery. In the
last post you lied about the dates you said things, and now deleted the
proof you lied about those dates.
People notice shit like that Tom.
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So let me get back to seeing why I can't get my killfile to keep you out.
I
must say that these groups are much better once you filter you out of
them.
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Tom face the fact that when you've been confronted with questions about
scientific support for your claims about the 3d mind, your go-to reply has
been to say there's years of research and prestigious scientists and
universities doing research that shows the 3d mind works.
However when cornered you admit that none of that research has been on the
3d mind.... you're a liar and you've been caught. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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Tom Vizzini wrote:
"Odious" <Odious@cox.net.nospam> wrote in message
As for the rest of your cutting and pasting....Ken went to Harvard and
Johns
Hopkins. He is well educated. He also was hired to work for Johns Hopkins
a
year or so ago to do research. We had plans to research the 3D mind along
side his brain model. It was indeed in the works. I never claimed that it
did occur though.
erm...
so is this product *based* on this man's theories or not ?
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Ding ding ding..... good question. The product, according to Tommy, was
around before this dude Ken said it falls in line with his theories.
HOwever, despite Tom's lies, it seems that dr. ken has never done ANY
research on the 3d mind. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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"Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"" <ray@cybersheet.com> wrote in message
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Didn't Odiot used to endorse Tom?
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Endorse? I did not call him a liar, until I saw him lying.
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Like when ROSS endorsed Tom?
The response patterns to Tom's posts look almost exactly like the ones to
mine, from the same half-dozen people no less.
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If by response pattern you mean, spammer lies, and people call the spammer
on those lies, then yeah.... same pattern as your posts get. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in message
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"Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"" <ray@cybersheet.com> wrote in message
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Didn't Odiot used to endorse Tom?
Like when ROSS endorsed Tom?
The response patterns to Tom's posts look almost exactly like the ones to
mine, from the same half-dozen people no less.
As scary as it is....I have to agree with Ray.
The world is officially coming to an end.
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Should tell you something when your only support comes from Ray.... |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject: What is the 3D Mind Based On?...Was Re: Oh Poor Tom... |
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erm...
so is this product *based* on this man's theories or not ?
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That is a great question.
We developed the 3D Mind in late 2000. It was originally called 'Inner
States' It continued to develop over the next few years until 2002 when we
released the original video.
It was an incredibly successful process. So easy and usable that those with
no experience were making incredible changes in just one hour.
In 2004 we met Ken. It was at a seminar in NY and we sat down at an
Ethiopian place for lunch and he explained how the 3D Mind worked in the
physical brain. After 2 hours and many scribbled on napkins Ken had laid out
his model of the brain and it meshed perfectly with what we were doing with
the 3D Mind.
The result of that meeting was a massive improvement of the 3D Mind Model.
Over the last 3 years I have been in constant contact with Ken and we have
been collaborating on several ideas about how the brain works and how to
apply that knowledge to persuasion and to improve people's lives.
So no the 3D Mind is not based on his theories. The innovations we have made
in the 3D Mind over that last few years are a result of working with Ken and
his explanations of how and why the 3D Mind is able to make suck massive
change where other methods have failed.
I think I can say that the new 3D Mind is much better than the original in
large part to Ken's contributions to our understanding of how the brain
actually works.
Look...for years I bought into the idea that the key to change was trance or
some type of unconscious communication. That is the idea that things like
NLP, meditation and hypnosis are based on. What I have learned is that
nothing is farther from the truth!
The unconscious/subconscious metaphor just does not fit with personal
change. Operating within those metaphors works on the wrong part of the
brain.
Now, with the 3D Mind, you can consciously make changes in your life without
having to turn your life over to a therapist. You don't need trance of any
kind. It is so simple and easy to understand that anyone can do it.
The biggest problem I have with people learning the 3D Mind is getting them
to accept that their lives can change so easily.
The one thing that is undenialble is the results that those using the 3D
Mind are getting ever single day. Everyday ordinary people are helping
themselves!
Let me know if that answers your question
Tom
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www.essential-skills.com
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: What is the 3D Mind Based On?...Was Re: Oh Poor Tom... |
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"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in message
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erm...
so is this product *based* on this man's theories or not ?
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And after we run Tom's response throught eh bullshit filter....
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So no the 3D Mind is not based on his theories.
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Which means every time Tom throws this guy's name out there as some proof
the 3d mind has been researched or clinically validated.... he's lying. |
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