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Vance
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 Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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On Jun 18, 6:16 am, "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\""
<r...@cybersheet.com> wrote:
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Didn't Odiot used to endorse Tom?
Like when ROSS endorsed Tom?
The response patterns to Tom's posts look almost exactly like the ones to
mine, from the same half-dozen people no less.
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Ray Gordon
The Club Hypno Message Boards. Totally NEUTRAL discussion of sexy hypnosis!http://cybersheet.com/eve/forums/a/cfrm/f/4321015313
"When people are engaged in something they are not proud of, they do not
welcome witnesses. In fact, they come to believe the witness causes the
trouble."
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Ray, could that be because you are a notorious liar who uses ad
hominem attacks, fabricates information, deflects and obfuscates,
claims he never posted what he obviously posted and then claims he
meant something else by his post and that it was taken out of context,
or is the sole arbiter of what is true and that those who oppose him
are shilling for someone else and/or are idiots?
Tom has created the impression in some minds that he is a notorious
liar who uses ad hominem attacks, fabricates information, deflects and
obfuscates, claims he never posted what he obviously posted and then
claims he meant something else by his post and that it was taken out
of context, or is the sole arbiter of what is true and that those who
oppose him are shilling for someone else and/or are idiots.
Through evolution, similar structures develope to meet similar needs
and the situation is analagous here. Tom has been judged to be crap,
you are known to be crap, so the similarity of attacks is what you
would expect.
I hope this helps enhance your understanding.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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As scary as it is....I have to agree with Ray.
The world is officially coming to an end.
Should tell you something when your only support comes from Ray....
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What's more telling is the near-identical circumstances under which a
half-dozen people are acting, identically. Flaming in the same manner, with
the same tactics, at the same frequency, and the common denominator is that
ROSS doesn't like the target.
The public can do the math just fine.
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Ray Gordon
The Club Hypno Message Boards. Totally NEUTRAL discussion of sexy hypnosis!
http://cybersheet.com/eve/forums/a/cfrm/f/4321015313
"When people are engaged in something they are not proud of, they do not
welcome witnesses. In fact, they come to believe the witness causes the
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Speeding
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:17 am Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" wrote in
news:BqydnVsudc5YKuvbnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@pghconnect.com:
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As scary as it is....I have to agree with Ray.
The world is officially coming to an end.
Should tell you something when your only support comes from Ray....
What's more telling is the near-identical circumstances under which a
half-dozen people are acting, identically. Flaming in the same
manner, with the same tactics, at the same frequency, and the common
denominator is that ROSS doesn't like the target.
The public can do the math just fine.
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Now now, Ray.. Just because a half dozen people all read from the
Marketeer Handbook and do what the Marketeer Handbook tells them to and
believe what the Marketeer Handbook tells them to believe and they all
act and say and do the very same things... that does not mean they are
all the same. I'm sure they have different model numbers...
Number 1...
Number 2...
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Speeding
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:18 am Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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Ted E Bear wrote in news:1182180086_12373@sp6iad.superfeed.net:
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On 18-Jun-2007, "Ray Gordon, Court Jester" <ray@cybersheet.com
brayed:
Didn't Odiot used to endorse Tom?
Like when ROSS endorsed Tom?
The response patterns to Tom's posts look almost exactly like the
ones to mine, from the same half-dozen people no less.
So what, now we have two spamming idiots instead of just one. Or
three if you want to count the Oklahoma kid. Hows that new blog and
message board going? I read the terms of service the other day.
Nobody in their right mind would agree to those terms. No wonder you
don't have any traffic!!!!!
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Marketeering Handbook
Rule #1:
Anyone that does not agree with the Marketeers must, by default,
be defending the opponents of the Marketeers.
Correlary:
Anyone that defends the opponents of the Marketeers must, by
default, be in complete agreement with the opponents of the
Marketeers.
Addition to the Correlary:
Anyone that is in agreement with the opponents of the Marketeers
must, by default, be working for a company that is in direct
competition with the Marketeer's company. They must be Ray. Or
Tom. Or anyone that advertises against Fast Seduction.
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Ted E Bear
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:33 am Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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Ever see me endorse any product speeding? EVER?
Thank you....dismissed
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:17 am Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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"Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"" <ray@cybersheet.com> wrote in message
news:iYudnS9QPaHCDevbnZ2dnUVZ_oSnnZ2d@pghconnect.com...
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Didn't Odiot used to endorse Tom?
Like when ROSS endorsed Tom?
The response patterns to Tom's posts look almost exactly like the ones
to
mine, from the same half-dozen people no less.
As scary as it is....I have to agree with Ray.
Try the Jimmy Swaggart version next time:
"I have ::::::sob::::::::: sinned against youuuuu, My Lord
::::::::::sob::::::::::," but I agree with Ray.
I should note that the exception to the pattern is that in the past, Tom
used to post to me much like the other half-dozen.
Maybe it's an NLP thing. Just seems pretty fickle, and predictable.
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But what would Bat Man do???? |
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HeeroYuy
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:58 am Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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"Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"" <ray@cybersheet.com> wrote in message
news:BqydnVsudc5YKuvbnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@pghconnect.com...
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As scary as it is....I have to agree with Ray.
The world is officially coming to an end.
Should tell you something when your only support comes from Ray....
What's more telling is the near-identical circumstances under which a
half-dozen people are acting, identically. Flaming in the same manner,
with the same tactics, at the same frequency, and the common denominator
is that ROSS doesn't like the target.
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Give it up and get over yourself. You're not important enough for people to
be paid to flame you. I would have left you alone, if you didn't threaten to
sue when I asked you a question, thus royally pissing me off.
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The public can do the math just fine.
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Of course, then you also need to add that Gordon is a paranoid FREAK who
can't take responsibility for his pissing people off into the equation. Oh
yes, the equation changes quite a bit when you factor that constant in. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:46 am Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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Piss you off or or piss someone else off, so you being the lackey that
you are, you must respond or incur his wrath.
How many dee dee dee's are there now?
On Jun 18, 7:58 pm, "HeeroYuy" <h...@h.h> wrote:
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Give it up and get over yourself. You're not important enough for people to
be paid to flame you. I would have left you alone, if you didn't threaten to
sue when I asked you a question, thus royally pissing me off.
Of course, then you also need to add that Gordon is a paranoid FREAK who
can't take responsibility for his pissing people off into the equation. Oh
yes, the equation changes quite a bit when you factor that constant in. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:34 am Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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"Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"" <ray@cybersheet.com> wrote in message
news:BqydnVsudc5YKuvbnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@pghconnect.com...
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As scary as it is....I have to agree with Ray.
The world is officially coming to an end.
Should tell you something when your only support comes from Ray....
What's more telling is the near-identical circumstances under which a
half-dozen people are acting, identically.
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Someone spams bullshit and people call them on it.... nothing amazing about
that.
In fact that's a pretty standard response to spam in any Usenet group.
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Flaming in the same manner, with the same tactics, at the same frequency,
and the common denominator is that ROSS doesn't like the target.
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Or that both "targets" are annoying spammers.
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The public can do the math just fine.
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So again, now the giant conspiracy against ray, has somehow morphed into a
giant conspiracy against anybody Ross doesn't like... even though people who
do no like Ross are counted among the conspirators and they also react the
same way to spam... be it from you or from Tom. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:20 am Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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in article RdCdnUtBZpeCHOvbnZ2dnUVZ_r-onZ2d@adelphia.com, Tom Vizzini at
Tom@essential-skills.com wrote on 6/18/07 8:58 AM:
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So let me get back to seeing why I can't get my killfile to keep you out. I
must say that these groups are much better once you filter you out of them.
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So let's see...
Tom uses voice recognition software with a serious and well-known
grammatical error and chooses not to correct it.
He also seems incapable of properly setting up a killfile and congenitally
incapable of letting anyone else have the last word.
These are not attractive traits to display in advertising a product aimed at
people looking to improve themselves. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:26 am Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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in article BqydnVsudc5YKuvbnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@pghconnect.com, Ray Gordon,
creator of the "pivot" at ray@cybersheet.com wrote on 6/18/07 12:49 PM:
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As scary as it is....I have to agree with Ray.
The world is officially coming to an end.
Should tell you something when your only support comes from Ray....
What's more telling is the near-identical circumstances under which a
half-dozen people are acting, identically. Flaming in the same manner, with
the same tactics, at the same frequency, and the common denominator is that
ROSS doesn't like the target.
The public can do the math just fine.
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They sure can.
And the common denominator is that both of you are lying sacks of shit.
Occam's Razor: It's not just for shaving anymore. |
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HeeroYuy
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:29 am Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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"Alex" <akaufmann@nyc.NOSPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
news:C29CB592.109D01%akaufmann@nyc.NOSPAM.rr.com...
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in article RdCdnUtBZpeCHOvbnZ2dnUVZ_r-onZ2d@adelphia.com, Tom Vizzini at
Tom@essential-skills.com wrote on 6/18/07 8:58 AM:
So let me get back to seeing why I can't get my killfile to keep you out.
I
must say that these groups are much better once you filter you out of
them.
So let's see...
Tom uses voice recognition software with a serious and well-known
grammatical error and chooses not to correct it.
He also seems incapable of properly setting up a killfile and congenitally
incapable of letting anyone else have the last word.
These are not attractive traits to display in advertising a product aimed
at
people looking to improve themselves.
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I was willing to accept that HellBrat and gnr were the exception to 3D
Mind's supposed success, not the rule. That is, until Tom started behaving
as badly as them. |
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John C. Randolph
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:43 am Post subject: Re: What is the 3D Mind Based On?...Was Re: Oh Poor Tom... |
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On 2007-06-18 08:37:22 -0700, "Odious" <Odious@cox.net.nospam> said:
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"Tom Vizzini" <Tom@essential-skills.com> wrote in message
news:HaydnQXv_uX5OOvbnZ2dnUVZ_qupnZ2d@adelphia.com...
Seeker1@example.com> wrote in message
news:fQwdi.506$KE1.63@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
erm...
so is this product *based* on this man's theories or not ?
And after we run Tom's response throught eh bullshit filter....
So no the 3D Mind is not based on his theories.
Which means every time Tom throws this guy's name out there as some
proof the 3d mind has been researched or clinically validated.... he's
lying.
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Yeah, but it's fun to watch him digging that hole.
-jcr |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:47 am Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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On 2007-06-18 19:29:20 -0700, "HeeroYuy" <h@h.h> said:
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"Alex" <akaufmann@nyc.NOSPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
news:C29CB592.109D01%akaufmann@nyc.NOSPAM.rr.com...
in article RdCdnUtBZpeCHOvbnZ2dnUVZ_r-onZ2d@adelphia.com, Tom Vizzini at
Tom@essential-skills.com wrote on 6/18/07 8:58 AM:
So let me get back to seeing why I can't get my killfile to keep you out. I
must say that these groups are much better once you filter you out of them.
So let's see...
Tom uses voice recognition software with a serious and well-known
grammatical error and chooses not to correct it.
He also seems incapable of properly setting up a killfile and congenitally
incapable of letting anyone else have the last word.
These are not attractive traits to display in advertising a product aimed at
people looking to improve themselves.
I was willing to accept that HellBrat and gnr were the exception to 3D
Mind's supposed success, not the rule. That is, until Tom started
behaving as badly as them.
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I would expect the similarities in their behavior (not to mention their
spelling and grammatical errors) to increase over time, as Vizzini gets
more frustrated and less careful.
-jcr |
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Odious
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Oh Poor Tom... the truth hurts don't it? |
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"John C. Randolph" <jcr.nospam@nospam.mac.com> wrote in message
news:2007061819473375249-jcrnospam@nospammaccom...
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On 2007-06-18 19:29:20 -0700, "HeeroYuy" <h@h.h> said:
"Alex" <akaufmann@nyc.NOSPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
news:C29CB592.109D01%akaufmann@nyc.NOSPAM.rr.com...
in article RdCdnUtBZpeCHOvbnZ2dnUVZ_r-onZ2d@adelphia.com, Tom Vizzini at
Tom@essential-skills.com wrote on 6/18/07 8:58 AM:
So let me get back to seeing why I can't get my killfile to keep you
out. I
must say that these groups are much better once you filter you out of
them.
So let's see...
Tom uses voice recognition software with a serious and well-known
grammatical error and chooses not to correct it.
He also seems incapable of properly setting up a killfile and
congenitally
incapable of letting anyone else have the last word.
These are not attractive traits to display in advertising a product
aimed at
people looking to improve themselves.
I was willing to accept that HellBrat and gnr were the exception to 3D
Mind's supposed success, not the rule. That is, until Tom started
behaving as badly as them.
I would expect the similarities in their behavior (not to mention their
spelling and grammatical errors) to increase over time, as Vizzini gets
more frustrated and less careful.
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And apparently Unkah used to post from Tom's domain.
"UnKaH" monsterbaby@essential-skills.com
Odd, ain't it.
Especialy when one of the claims made when posting from that domain was....
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.psychology.nlp/msg/5c02f96c9de3f7e9?dmode=source&hl=en
Fact Five: 3-D Mind is scientifically sound, based on scientific data
supplied by a man who's worked in the brain research business for
better than 20 years and is currently working for John Hopkins, doing
the exact same thing.
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